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This Machine Can Suck Carbon Out Of The Air

David Keith is a bit fidgety. Maybe that's because venture capitalists have asked to come see his carbon dioxide machine. Maybe it's because the project is running months behind schedule, as experiments so often do. Maybe it's because his critics say it'll never work.

Or maybe it's a taste of excitement, because it seems entirely possible that the trailer-truck-size machine that he's leaning up against is actually going to work.

"It's amazing to see all this talk and paper get turned into hardware," he says. "I really love it."

Keith is on a patch of blacktop on the campus of the University of Calgary, in Alberta, Canada, where until very recently he has been a professor. Now his academic hat is Harvard, where he is both a professor of public policy and a professor of applied physics. His hard hat is a little start-up company, called Carbon Engineering, housed on the Calgary campus. And that company is building a machine that can actually suck carbon dioxide from the air.

The technology at the core of the device is not new. "People have done this for a long time," he says. "There were commercial processes that took CO2 out of the air, in fact, in the 1950s, so there's no mystery that we can do it."

But those companies were just extracting small quantities of carbon dioxide for industrial purposes. Keith is after a much more important question, one that is universal for anyone trying to develop a technology: Can it be done affordably on a grand scale?

"So our interest is in building full-scale commercial systems that would take tens of thousands of tons — or more — of CO2 out of the air," he says.

'Not As Hard As You Think'

Taking on climate change is in part personal for Keith. This wiry man has skied across many hundreds of miles of the rapidly melting Arctic, so he knows more than most people what's at stake.

Getting this project to work is also an intellectual challenge. "It's fun to go after problems where there's a wide public consensus in one direction that is sort of thin, where people haven't thought about it very much," he says.

"And on this topic, I'd say a lot of my colleagues who are experts in energy technology say it's a total joke to take CO2 out of the air, and it must cost thousands of dollars a ton carbon.

"When we began looking hard at it, we became convinced that that really wasn't right. It's not that the other people are fools, but the other people hadn't done the engineering. And when you do the engineering, it turns out it's not as hard as you think."

As he looks at the machine taking shape, he points out that its components are all tried-and-true technology, just reassembled in a novel way for a novel result. If scaled-up versions of this contraption can work, capturing carbon from the air could alleviate one of the biggest challenges in climate change.

"It provides a route to manage emissions from transportation," he says. "Transportation needs high-energy fuels, like hydrocarbons. It's very hard to replace those with batteries, and in some instances, like airplanes, you just can't."

Keith's gift, as both an energy analyst and an engineer, is that he thinks about problems in unconventional ways. So on the one hand, Keith faces skepticism from his friends in academia.

But some very smart people are betting big money that he's right. Bill Gates turns to Keith for advice on matters of energy and climate. And Gates and a Canadian billionaire have given him $6 million to put his ideas to the test.

"It's only possible, by forming a company, to answer the question of what it actually costs to do this," he says.

Putting Captured Carbon To Work

The 600-volt power line is switched on and the machine shows its first sign of life. As they put power to one key component, the fans suck the air through the apparatus.

These fans will draw air through a 31-foot-long chamber filled with wavy plastic material. Water laced with sodium hydroxide will run down that plastic and react with carbon dioxide to pull it out of the air.

After that part of the machine is up and running reliably, Keith plans to test various chemical systems to complete the process — that is, to recycle the chemical that captures carbon dioxide, and to create a pure stream of CO2 gas, which can then be buried underground.

Keith sees a few niche applications that could actually make this little company money. One idea is to take the pure carbon dioxide and pump it underground to push up oil. He says this oil would qualify as a low-carbon fuel, since producing it would actually take carbon dioxide out of the air.

"We think we could make hydrocarbon fuels that had substantially lower life-cycle carbon emissions than conventional gasoline," he says. "And I think that is both genuinely important for the environment and also potentially lucrative under the emerging standards for low-carbon fuels, like the California low-carbon-fuel standard."

More Options On The Table

The following day, two guys in business suits show up from Chrysalix, one of the biggest venture capital companies focused on clean energy.

Keith shows them around his equipment. They ask lots of questions, and in the end, Chrysalix CFO Mike Walkinshaw nods his head approvingly.

"We think there's a great business opportunity in solving the world's global warming issues," Walkinshaw says."We think the problem will become more manifest in the next few years and the world's going to be looking for answers. And they'll be willing to pay for it."

Walkinshaw finds comfort in standing among all of the bent metal and pipes of the device. "We love prototypes," he says. "This is excellent work that professor Keith has been doing here."

This is not the only small company exploring air capture of carbon dioxide. And with the costs so high at the moment, it's at best a distant dream to scale it up enough to affect the global climate. He agrees with his critics on that point. But Keith says costs will never come down and technology will never advance unless there's someone at the edge pushing forward.

"I've spent 20 years of my life trying to figure out how to help solve the climate problem," he says. "I work on lots of different technologies. I don't believe any one is the silver bullet. But I do believe we need to have a larger set of potential solutions to deal with the climate problem, none of which will be perfect, none of which we understand very well, but we do a better job if we have more options on the table."

Several weeks later, Keith reports that the machine is up and operating. The technical problems that some critics thought could be showstoppers have not materialized, he says. Now the challenge is to squeeze in as much testing time as they can, before Calgary's winter weather moves in and shuts them down for the season.

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Transcript

MICHELE NORRIS, host: From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Michele Norris.

Slowing down climate change could well require a major change in human behavior, a wholesale shift away from fossil fuels. But there's hope that technology can help us along that road.

NPR's Richard Harris introduces us to one man who is developing a way to suck carbon dioxide right out of the air.

RICHARD HARRIS: David Keith is a bit fidgety. Maybe that's because venture capitalists have asked to come see his carbon dioxide machine. Maybe it's because the project is running months behind schedule, as experiments so often do. Maybe it's because his critics say it'll never work. Or maybe it's a taste of excitement, because it seems entirely possible that the trailer-truck-sized machine that he's leaning up against is actually going to work.

DAVID KEITH: It's amazing to see all this talk and paper get turned into hardware. I really love it.

HARRIS: Keith is on a patch of blacktop on the campus of the University of Calgary, in Alberta, where until very recently he's been a professor. Now his academic hat is Harvard, where he is both a professor of public policy and a professor of applied physics. His hard hat is a little start-up company, called Carbon Engineering, housed on the Calgary campus. And that company is building a machine that can actually suck carbon dioxide from the air.

KEITH: So you're tempted in telling a story to say this is like a test. Can we take CO2 out of the air? But people have done this for a long time. There were commercial processes that took CO2 out of the air, in fact, in the 1950s. So, there's no mystery that we can do it.

HARRIS: But those companies were just extracting small quantities of carbon dioxide for industrial purposes. Keith is after a much more important question, one that is universal for anyone trying to develop a technology, and that is whether he can do it affordably on a grand scale.

KEITH: So our interest is in building full-scale commercial systems that would take tens of thousands or more tons of CO2 out of the air.

HARRIS: Taking on climate change is in part personal for Keith. This wiry man has skied across many hundreds of miles of the rapidly melting Arctic. So he knows more than most people what's at stake. Getting this project to work is also an intellectual challenge.

KEITH: It's fun to go after problems where there's a wide public consensus in one direction that is sort of thin, where people haven't thought about it very much. And I think this topic, there are a lot of my colleagues who are experts in energy technology would say that it's a total joke to take CO2 out of the air, and it must cost thousands of dollars a ton carbon.

And when we began looking hard at it, we became convinced that that really wasn't right. And that it's not that the other people are fools, it's just that people haven't taken the time to actually do the engineering. And when you do the engineering, you find it's not as hard as you think.

HARRIS: As he looks at the machine taking shape, he points out that all of its components are all tried-and-true technology, just reassembled in a novel way for a novel result. If scaled-up versions of this contraption can work, capturing carbon from the air could alleviate one of the biggest challenges in climate change.

KEITH: It provides a route to manage emissions from transportation. Transportation needs high-energy density fuels, like hydrocarbons and it's very hard to replace those with batteries. And in some places, like airplanes, you just can't.

HARRIS: David Keith's gift, as both an energy analyst and an engineer, is that he thinks about problems in unconventional ways. So on the one hand, Keith faces skepticism from his friends in academia. But some very smart people are betting big money that he's right. Bill Gates turns to David Keith for advice on matters of energy and climate. And Gates and a Canadian billionaire have given him $6 million to put his ideas to the test.

KEITH: It's sort of only possible, by forming a company, to actually answer the question of what it really costs to do this. We're going to be bomb-testing these fans right behind you there.

HARRIS: Oh, I can't wait.

The 600-volt power line is switched on and the machine shows its first sign of life. As they put power to one key component, the fans that suck the air through the apparatus.

It's going to be loud.

KEITH: Well, it's spinning.

HARRIS: These fans will draw air through a 31-foot-long chamber filled with wavy plastic material. Water laced with sodium hydroxide will run down that plastic and will react with carbon dioxide to pull it out of the air. After that part of the machine is up and running reliably, Keith plans to test various chemical systems to complete the process. That is, to recycle the chemical that captures carbon dioxide and to create a pure stream of CO2 gas, which can then be buried underground.

KEITH: Going the right direction, that's for sure. The right direction.

HARRIS: Keith sees a few niche applications that could actually make this little company money. One idea is to take the pure carbon dioxide and pump it underground to push up oil. He says this oil would qualify as a low-carbon fuel, since producing it would actually take carbon dioxide out of the air.

KEITH: We think we could make hydrocarbon fuels that had substantially lower lifecycle carbon emissions than conventional gasoline. And that is both, I think, genuinely important for the environment and also potentially lucrative under the emerging standards for low-carbon fuels, like the California low carbon fuel standard.

HARRIS: And that's where the venture capitalists come in. The following day, two guys in business suits show up from Chrysalix, one of the biggest venture capital companies focused on clean energy.

MIKE WALKINSHAW: So, what's the testing program? Is it supposed to run 24/7 continuous?

KEITH: 24/7 continuous once we get going. I mean, obviously there's a whole...

HARRIS: David Keith shows them around his equipment. They ask lots of questions. And in the end, Chrysalix CFO Mike Walkinshaw nods his head approvingly.

WALKINSHAW: We think there's a great business opportunity in solving the world's global warming issues. We think that the problem will become more manifest over the next few years and that the world's going to be looking for answers. And they're going to be willing to pay for it.

HARRIS: And does it give you comfort to actually see bent metal and pipes and all the rest of the stuff when you're thinking about what to invest in? I mean, here's obviously - this is more than just an academic idea at this stage.

WALKINSHAW: Yeah. We love prototypes. Yeah. This is excellent work that Professor Keith has been doing here.

HARRIS: This is not the only small company exploring air capture of carbon dioxide. But with the costs so high at the moment, it's at best a distant dream to scale it up enough to affect the global climate. David Keith agrees with his critics on that point. But Keith says costs will never come down and technology will never advance unless there's someone at the edge pushing forward.

KEITH: I've spent 20 years of my life trying to figure out how to help solve the climate problem, and I work on lots of different technologies. So, I don't believe any one of them is any kind of silver bullet, but I do believe we need to have a larger set of potential solutions to deal with the climate problem, none of which will be perfect, none of which we understand very well, but we do a better job if we have more options on the table.

HARRIS: And now, several weeks after that interview, Keith reports that the machine is up and operating. The technical problems that some critics thought could be show-stoppers have not materialized, he says. Now, the challenge is to squeeze in as much testing time as they can before Calgary's winter weather moves in and shuts them down for the season.

Richard Harris, NPR News.

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UNKNOWN: I'm Michele Norris. You're listening to ALL THINGS CONSIDERED from NPR News. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright National Public Radio.